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Post by Craig W. on Nov 4, 2004 15:37:09 GMT -5
Well so much for those ideas! LOL Yeah, you can spray a lot through a single stage plate, but it would eventually become a limiting factor that would keep things from getting too wild. Same for the -4 line. It might not slow the class any, but it might help keep in it in check. I wasn't meaning to say they should outlaw timers, just maybe progressive controllers.
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Post by Charlie on Nov 4, 2004 15:43:28 GMT -5
You guys need to remember that we knew along time ago that this class could go fast, based off of Rodney's car...Someone said on here that we should adopt the OSCA rules to make it easier to cross over, we had this class first so let them make the changes...
As for all the talk about limiting NOS plates and so forth, what do you propose for a turbo or a blower if they choose to show up? This class needs to stay simple if at all possible...We may do a little adjusting on the weights if thats what it takes to slow some of the faster cars down a bit...
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Post by Craig W. on Nov 4, 2004 15:57:58 GMT -5
The blower and turbo question is a good one and I can't say I have an answer other than we haven't had either show up yet.
Let me ask this...what is the intent of the class? Crazy fast cars on 8.5" tires or a place for entry level heads-up cars to compete?
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 4, 2004 16:05:11 GMT -5
You haven't had the blower/turbo cars show up yet but they are out there. In the OSCA 8.5 class Roger ran a 5.95 on a 8.5 in Hardsingburg at the last race. I'm running a supercharger set-up on a 10.5 tire and I'm thinking about running the class next year, but I will not be running no 5.95. But the cars are out there.
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 4, 2004 16:35:05 GMT -5
I hate to say it but the 8.5 and 10.5 outlaw cars are getting on a fine line as fast as they are running. I think that its awesome that you can get a car running that fast on such a small tire, but there should be a stopping point somewhere. I also hate to say this because I hope it doesn't come true but sooner or later if the cars keep progressing that somebody is going to get hurt. I not just talking about the driver, because for the most part the driver would be the safest person, but you have to worry about track officals and fans along with other drivers. I know from talking to alot of the bracket drivers they are really worry about fans and drivers getting hurt from the outlaw cars. I can see there point. I think there should be more rules in the 8.5 or a cap/etc. How fast can you go on a small tire before it gets out of control??
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 4, 2004 17:13:03 GMT -5
So what are the rules of entry street?? Just having the correct tire size and weight???
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Post by Darren383 on Nov 4, 2004 17:23:36 GMT -5
Charlie, Craig and Supercharged 331 all made good points that I agree with. Let OVOS keep their own rules and let OSCA adopt some rules if they want. And as Craig pointed out, this is supposed to be a entry level class, right? And supercharged 331 said, someone is going to get hurt. He's right. Going 5's on these little tires is getting dangerous. With what Craig pointed out as this class being entry level and the point of someone going to get hurt, I can't see how just adding a 6.0 breakout rule can be bad. It will keep it somewhat entry level and safer for not allowing the cars to go real fast on a 8.5 tire.
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 4, 2004 17:43:41 GMT -5
My impression of the entry class is that its suppost to be street cars, I'm I correct on this?? Would making it a foot brake only and no trans brake help it any?? Just a thought.
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Post by OutlawStang on Nov 4, 2004 17:44:46 GMT -5
OVOS Outlaw 8.5 Rules (possible)
Street legal cars ,weighing a minimum of Small Block 3000 LBS N/A, Small Block 3200 LBS NOS, Big Block 3200 LBS N/A, 3400 LBS NOS, BOP combo’s run at small block weights. Maximum of 8.5 inch slicks. Cars must have headlights, taillights, and mufflers. The interior must have dash, steering column, and front seats in stock location with rear seat being optional. Sponsorship and stickers are limited to windows only. Classes are run off a .400 PRO TREE. A 5.90 ET cap will be in place. Running under the 5.90 cap will be considered a DQ.
No full round or square tube chassis cars. Back-halved cars not allowed. Stock front frame rails and suspension required, but may have after-market A-arms and bushings, as long as they bolt in stock locations. After-market coil over shocks and struts allowed, but must be in same location as stock.
Engine, nitrous (1 stage plate system only), and fuel are unlimited. Engine must be in stock location, and firewall must be in stock location, but may be notched for clearance. Motor plates and solid mounts allowed.
Any type transmission (manual or automatic) allowed. Pneumatic and air shifters are not allowed. Trans-brakes are allowed.
Bracket racing aids such as optical sensors, delay boxes and electrical or pneumatic throttle stops are not allowed. Also, progressive nitrous controllers and or nitrous timers are not allowed. If you have these on your vehicle for other classes of racing, they must be visibly disabled (unplugged). Deep staging is allowed at your own risk . starter will not wait for you to deep stage There will be starting line "games If either apply, you will be disqualified at the discretion of track officials.
After unloading car, fill out tech card, front and back, and bring card and car to scales for weigh in and tech inspection. All cars must pass rule and safety inspection to race.
Disqualification (pass will not count) for any of the following.... Crossing centerline, use of above mentioned bracket racing aids, improper staging procedures, failure to report to staging lanes when called, and reckless driving or speeding in pit area or return road.
Outlaw 8.5 cars qualify, and are placed on a PRO ladder. Lane choice is determined by previous round E.T.
There should be no more than two crew members on the starting line with your vehicle while staging, and they should exit staging after pass. This is for the safety of your crew members.
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Post by OutlawStang on Nov 4, 2004 17:46:35 GMT -5
Charlie sorry about the OSCA comment. I just want to try to keep this class as close to an entry class as possible. I don't think adding weight is going to help. I know I won't add more in my car.
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Post by Charlie on Nov 4, 2004 18:02:55 GMT -5
Keep something in mind here guys when talking about these cars being dangerous...YOU ARE THE ONES BEHIND THE WHEELS, USE GOOD JUDGEMENT!!!!! I can point out the reason for what caused some of these 8.5 cars to get goofy going down the track, usually it is AIR PRESSURE and a stubborn racer that refuses to run more air or lift if it starts to move around...There isnt anyone that ever watched James Sims or Vern or Rodney(when he ran the little tires) that would say that they looked dangerous...I watched two different cars roll through this year with the exact same tire and wheel package and one set of tires were wrinkled sitting still and the other stood firmly like normal, funny thing is they both claimed to run the same amount of air but yet the firm tired car went right down the track and the other didnt...(and no, it wasnt Roy Taylor in the Nova)
This class was intended for ANYONE and EVERYONE that couldnt race in True or Pro, thats why there wasnt any chassis restrictions or a ton of rules...We started this class for people to have fun in and to use as a stepping stone to the next class up the ladder...We may look at the cap again or we may add weight to the combos that ran faster than the 6.00 number that we'd like to see...
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Post by Bernard358 on Nov 4, 2004 18:03:29 GMT -5
charlie reply to this please and let me know exactly what the rules will be. I would like to know.
as for the rest of you guys this is getting out of hand. I am building my car to not bracket race. I don't wanna get on anybodies toes about this. I met several great people at the outlaw races last year and this is why i am spending my money on my car to not bracket race. Keep it the same weight and tires. I might go down there and get beat like a redheades step child next year, but i am going to have alot of fun doing this, but i don't wanna be outlawed before my car even gets out of the shop. I spoke with charlie a couple weeks ago on test and tune and he said only weight and tire was going to be the rules. Like i said before i am not starting a pissing match or stepping on anyones toes i just wanna race and have fun thanks Bernard Newton358
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Post by Darren383 on Nov 4, 2004 18:35:32 GMT -5
Keep something in mind here guys when talking about these cars being dangerous...YOU ARE THE ONES BEHIND THE WHEELS, USE GOOD JUDGEMENT!!!!! I can point out the reason for what caused some of these 8.5 cars to get goofy going down the track, usually it is AIR PRESSURE and a stubborn racer that refuses to run more air or lift if it starts to move around...There isnt anyone that ever watched James Sims or Vern or Rodney(when he ran the little tires) that would say that they looked dangerous...I watched two different cars roll through this year with the exact same tire and wheel package and one set of tires were wrinkled sitting still and the other stood firmly like normal, funny thing is they both claimed to run the same amount of air but yet the firm tired car went right down the track and the other didnt...(and no, it wasnt Roy Taylor in the Nova) This class was intended for ANYONE and EVERYONE that couldnt race in True or Pro, thats why there wasnt any chassis restrictions or a ton of rules...We started this class for people to have fun in and to use as a stepping stone to the next class up the ladder...We may look at the cap again or we may add weight to the combos that ran faster than the 6.00 number that we'd like to see... Charlie, why do I have a strange feeling your talking about me the night I took the tubes out and didnt add more air pressure!
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Post by Charlie on Nov 4, 2004 19:12:55 GMT -5
Bernard, at THIS point we feel that we can achieve a decent playing field with the weights and tires...If it requires putting some on the small blocks to level the class out and to bring the numbers back a bit then thats what we will do...The cap would be a last resort IF we felt that we HAD to slow them down...
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Post by Craig W. on Nov 4, 2004 19:40:02 GMT -5
There isnt anyone that ever watched James Sims or Vern or Rodney(when he ran the little tires) that would say that they looked dangerous... I just about beat Vern because he was so loose. I didn't see it since I was way out on him for most of the run, but everyone said he just about got the wall. As for the air pressure, the difference might have been tubes and no tubes in the tires you saw. Also, all three of those cars have outstanding professional chassis work. More like what you'd see in True Street. So that makes a big difference in my mind.
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