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Post by emann on Nov 3, 2004 15:34:41 GMT -5
What are the rules for Outlaw 8.5? From looking at the rules on the web-site, one is led to believe that the Outlaw 8.5 (entry street) class is very restricitve. It appears to me that there are no suspension modifications, no fiberglass bodies and that the windows and interior must ramain stock. Basically a factory car with engine, tranny and gear modifications. However, reading certain post, I see references to mini tubs. Am I off base here? It sounds like a great set of rules. Please don't tell me another great class of racing is going to be ruined by failure to control cost.
Thank you, Interested racer.
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Post by OutlawStang on Nov 3, 2004 16:29:32 GMT -5
As a Outlaw 8.5 racer. I would like to see the rules stay somewhat the same as they are now. I could see some things changing like no mini tubs or backhalfed. 1 stage of NOS. Maybe a 6.0 cap on the ET. We'll have to see what OVOS says about some of the rule changes.
Ken
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Post by 93coupe on Nov 3, 2004 17:21:07 GMT -5
i agree with ken but no 6.0 cap.that would be like bracket racing with alot of people hitting the brakes to keep from breaking out. that could be real bad.
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Post by Darren383 on Nov 3, 2004 17:32:30 GMT -5
Since I dont plan on running a full schedule next year, Im not going to complain about the rules too much. I agree with Ken 100% on the rules though. Keep everything the same and just put a 6.0 index on it. Keep it heads up, just if someone goes faster than 6.0, your dq'd. With these little tires, its really hard to go faster then 6.0 run after run, so it would really keep the class heads up. Just my opinion.
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Post by 93coupe on Nov 3, 2004 17:39:48 GMT -5
but if you have a car hitting the brakes at the other end could be bad.
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Post by Darren383 on Nov 3, 2004 17:43:40 GMT -5
but if you have a car hitting the brakes at the other end could be bad. I agree, but if he hits the brakes, he still has to cross the finish line ahead of the other guy. Im not saying make it a class to see who is the closest to 6.0, but make it a headsup 6.0 breakout. It would still be a first to cross the finish line class.
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Post by 93coupe on Nov 3, 2004 18:00:40 GMT -5
if you got a car that could run say 5.80s running a car thats 6.30 what keeps him from running all out and hitting the brakes hard at the other end to slow down some to win .on 8.5 that could be bad. you know what it takes to get down on 8.5 without hitting the brakes.hitting the brakes could be bad.
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Post by Clint Lynch on Nov 3, 2004 18:14:07 GMT -5
I think the rules are fine just the way they are. With that weight and those small tires I think thats enough to keep it competitive. Don't exclude guys like me that can't afford a 20-30 thousand dollar motor to race heads up just because I have mini tubs. I just dont see how a mini tub makes a 8.5 inch tire work better. I was very fortunate to win the last race after blowing the tires off every pass of qualifying. My reaction times and some dumb luck won me the race not my mini tubs. Maybe atleast state that there has to be a stock frame rail but even then I dont see the advantage. In my opinion I just dont see someone spending the money to make the power to run away from the class for a 200 dollar payout. Again this is just my opinion and keep in mind I am saying all of this just because i really look forward to coming down there and racing with you guys next year. Good luck to all.
90 MUSTANG COUPE STOCK BLOCKED BEAST OVOS 8.5 RULES!
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Post by greg on Nov 3, 2004 18:39:26 GMT -5
6.0 cap is a good idea. they run this class and a 7.0 class at huntsville all the time. heads up is headsup. think it would be nice to have classes like these. doesn't take near as much money to run and the little man gets to go heads up with out having a car certified.
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Post by Karl90GT on Nov 3, 2004 19:08:25 GMT -5
When entry street first started. It was suggested to have a 6.40 cap - anything faster would be deequed! Or forced to move into True street. BUT it was voted down because the "tire" was considered to be the TEXT limiting factor??? What happened?
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Post by emann on Nov 4, 2004 6:35:52 GMT -5
Wow! Seems I started quite a discussion! I was wondering what type of car would need to be constructed to compete in such a class. Indirectly my questions have been answered. I must admit, the references to 10.5 tires, carbon fire doors, and back-halfed cars all for 200$ to win kind of scare me. I just spent an entire season getting my doors blown off by a guy who built six engines (all 430 SBC) to win 400$ a week. But hay! That's racing. Unfortunately, where I am located, you guys are the only heads up racing within a two hour drive. I will definitely stay posted on this board and see how things go for the OVOS series. Good Luck to everyone next year.
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Post by Craig W. on Nov 4, 2004 8:08:08 GMT -5
To answer the original question, the rules are anything but restrictive. Anything goes right now as long as you meet the minimum weight and run the tire.
As for the mini-tubs, its not about the mini-tubs making the cars faster, its about keeping True Street cars from dropping back and dominating us little guys. I can see both sides of the issue on this, so its a tough call. A good True Street chassis can do a lot more with the little tires than what many of us were running this year (bolt-ons).
It was said last winter that the class would be kept in the 6s, yet nothing was done when cars kept going in the 5s. Why is that Charlie? I realize that 5.88 only happened once, but 5.90s started getting more and more common. It won't be long until the record creeps down towards the 70s and 80s are happening at every race. But where does it stop? Things need to be kept in check now before the class gets away from the entry level heads-up race that it was intended for. Is a cap the answer? Maybe. I don't like breakout rules, but I also don't want to see the class speed up another couple of tenths next year. So maybe a single stage plate rule is a better idea to start with?
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Post by OutlawStang on Nov 4, 2004 14:22:21 GMT -5
We all have good ideas and want to keep it simple for the regular low buck guys. I think a single stage NOS and say maybe a 5.90 cap. Like someone said. The 5.90's we saw weren't consistant. I think OVOS has a good thnig here and they need to keep it simple. Charlie I hate to say it but maybe adapt the OSCA rules (or close to them) so some racers can cross race with both OVOS and OSCA.
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Post by Craig W. on Nov 4, 2004 15:12:33 GMT -5
The classes cross over pretty good now. Martin Connelly ran both series. Maybe adopt their #4 nitrous line rule and combine it with a single stage plate rule and no progressive controllers?
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Post by Darren383 on Nov 4, 2004 15:30:06 GMT -5
A #4 line will not slow the cars down any. I gurantee that. I know i can run just as fast with a #4, I know Clint can and Vern can also. With the OSCA rules, you still have cars in the 5's. Why not keep it simple and and keep everything like it is, but with a 6.0 breakout. You can make it 5.90 or whatever, just have a a reasonable breakout. THat would eliminate the need for lots of rules and still have a affordable heads up class. Its alot easier and cheaper to slow cars down than it is to make them faster.
As for the single stage plate rule, the 5.88 pass of Verns was set on a single stage plate! So that will not do anything either. I say allow timers for NOS or whatever, you still have to get it down the track on 8.5's.
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