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Post by Tony Thoman on Jan 26, 2006 9:20:05 GMT -5
There is an excellant article on BuyBacks in Bracket racing on the CompetitionPlus website. It offers a very interesting information for track operators to consider. Hint; Hint; www.competitionplus.com
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Post by Charlie on Jan 27, 2006 7:45:35 GMT -5
In "my" opinion, buybacks are one of the evils of bracket racing and you guys fall for it like Eve did the apple...Kill the buybacks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by TonyT on Jan 27, 2006 21:37:00 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly, but just like the elimination of the Quick 16, that decision is not in the hands of the racer.
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Post by TheDemon on Jan 27, 2006 23:33:34 GMT -5
I disagree with the elimination of the Quick 16 - I see it as a bad move....I had fun beating some dragsters the few times I got in (usually as #15 or 16!)
As for the Buy Backs - if you don't like them, don't buy back....I probably won't buy back much (if at all) this year because I need to save money for some other things...I will probably take off a few weekends this season, too.
Chew on this - What if The Valley kept Buy Backs, but did not accumulate points on a Buy Back? Would as many people buy back in if they didn't accumulate points?
Damon
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Post by TonyT on Jan 28, 2006 14:27:25 GMT -5
I agree that buys backs should not be allowed to accumulate points, but what I hate about buybacks is you beat a guy in round 1 and as luck would have you race them again in round 2 or later and you lose that round. You both have only one loss, yet he moves own and you don't. The point the article makes is that buy backs play into the hands of the big hitters, since they don't make many mistakes. And if the racers want a second chance then have a gamblers race which allows the 1st & 2nd round loser to enter. Prize money is based on entries. And according to the data in the article, it requires less time at the track, which is good for everyone. The other point the article makes is the purses are Top Heavy. I love the idea of round money. I hate getting down to say 9 cars and getting $0.00 back.
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Post by Makes Since on Jan 28, 2006 15:18:36 GMT -5
Buy Backs NO POINTS!!!!!!! Why should a racer earn points if he lost the first round? ? Race each other in 2nd round!!!!!! Tracks still makes money (maybe) and round 1 winners are happy
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Post by TheDemon on Jan 28, 2006 16:34:08 GMT -5
What if the racers simply opt to not buy back? What would happen then?
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Post by Pony408 on Jan 28, 2006 22:19:06 GMT -5
I personaly buy back rarely. I like the idea the first few seasons I had started racing but over time I have decided if I lose 1st round Im done. I dont think points should be gained from a buyback entry...They LOST! But to make the track more $ and a racer still have a chance at the Payout if they chose is a personal option and is ok by me....Just an opinion. But I hate the 2and 3 round buy back races.....I never attend those races for that reason.
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Post by TheDemon on Jan 28, 2006 23:10:44 GMT -5
Think about this, too - consider that some tracks pair you with who you are beside in the lanes - you can finagle the two-round buy back system (I know - I am guilty of doing it) You and a buddy line up side by side first round, and the winner lays down for his buddy in the second round, so both are in the third round...I know this doesn't really apply at The Valley, but it does happen.
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Post by ken on Feb 1, 2006 14:08:40 GMT -5
how can a racer get hold of terry huff for sign up on chassis inspection.
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Post by 00 joe on Feb 7, 2006 22:29:30 GMT -5
Buy backs did not use to get points but it was too difficult for the track to keep up with it, yet you young racers don't remember. On the tracks defense, they coudn't come close to paying these purses if it wasn't for buybacks. Terry Huff reassured them making money by raising entry fees and buybacks. He'll soon learn the fate of his decisions. I can name at least 10 local racers that will not be attending his Sat. program. Lol big boy.
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Post by Charlie on Feb 9, 2006 9:01:58 GMT -5
Is it a crime for the Valley to want to make money? Dont we all go to work to do the same thing? Unless I am wrong, didnt they raise the payout to 1500.00? Instead of talking about boycotting and so forth, why dont you voice some opinions on how to make the program better for both the racers and the track?
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Post by Guest on Feb 9, 2006 17:27:01 GMT -5
"Think about this, too - consider that some tracks pair you with who you are beside in the lanes - you can finagle the two-round buy back system (I know - I am guilty of doing it) You and a buddy line up side by side first round, and the winner lays down for his buddy in the second round, so both are in the third round...I know this doesn't really apply at The Valley, but it does happen."
This use to happen ever Sat. night b/c they had a buyback gold card and they could both make the quick 16, and for some weird reason they were always the last two in the quick 16 line and always ran each other and one always won.
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Post by guest on Feb 11, 2006 14:36:23 GMT -5
No one has ever said that it is a crime for the Valley to make money. But to make money one has to A) Know the business, B) Care about the business, C) Like the business that you're running and D) Treat your customers with respect. I'm sorry but Terry is Zero for Four. They raised the entry fee $10.00 & buybacks $5.00 and are only paying out $150.00 more. The other $250.00 they stold from the Quick 16. Why is it that other tracks in the area can offer $5000.00 to the winner for a $65.00 entry fee and the Valley can on offer $2000.00. These other tracks aren't near as nice of a facility as the Valley, but they seem to be able to draw cars. Maybe it's because the racers aren't treated like the track is doing them a favor by letting them race there. All I can say is that if the Valley wasn't the only game in town, they'd be out of business and Terry would be back working in a factory or sweeping floors somewhere.
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Post by Charlie on Feb 11, 2006 15:45:33 GMT -5
I dont see you making any suggestions at all...Throw some ideas out and maybe enough people will put their heads together and find something that will make it better...As for saying they "STOLE" money from the Quick 16, how much sense does that make? I myself believe there needs to be some incentive for racers to want to run fast, but on the other hand, EVERYONE that runs in Bracket 1 now has the same chance to race for 1500...Therefore, nothing was "stolen" from anyone...
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