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Post by bxl007 on Sept 23, 2004 14:13:11 GMT -5
I just want to be in the ball park and a tenth is not really in the ball park unless you are running a person that has never been on a pro tree before or their finger gets stuck on the button. You know even when I say I wouldn't race there. I still would and if there wasn't any races left I would probably take my nos setup to the don't go past this round point because you will have 4 to 8 holes in the pistons. We were what I considered to be comparable at the 2nd race because I was not on my A game that day and Lee was running pretty much what I figured he would run which I think was a 4.85 I can deal with 3 or 4 hundreth's that I can make up on the tree but never a tenth. I still have never figured out the logic why Charlie and Tony took weight off of the cars when prior to the year they told everyone that 3 or 4 races would have to be in the book before any changes would be made. Then they turned around and took weight off of Gary's combo then after the next race they took weight off of cars that they knew couldn't get that light and I'm speaking of cars like Art,Pat, Blue Nova that blew the motor up, My car and so on but what ever. The truth and it has been told by the people at the track is that the weight was dropped for Shannon and he didn't show up to race period and I guess if Charlie would ever just admt that instead of saying no it wasn't about the turbo's I would just let it go. I just want Charlie to admit the TRUE reason he changed the weight and that's it.
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Post by bxl007 on Sept 23, 2004 14:17:32 GMT -5
Hey Chris the mustang I was talking about that went 4.40's was the Red one that was a true backhalf and it was stock wheel base also not stretched out like the new car. The other thing is that you can run the tire that you said Randy is running this year.
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Post by Charlie on Sept 23, 2004 16:55:25 GMT -5
I'm gonna start at the end of your post and go backwards...Steve brought the weight issue up to me and i talked to Tony about it, we then decided to pull the weights down after looking at the weights of the cars that had came here up to that point...There are more cars than the Mckensie's car that we took into consideration when we did this(and some of them were NOS cars too)...I dont think the rule change said that it was for Black Mustangs with Yellow tribal graphics on the side and i'd bet GREAT BIG dollars that you'd be happy with the change if you had a few hundred pounds of ballast in your car...
The next comment was about Gary Rohe...Gary asked about this change at the first race of the year and nobody at that race seemed to have a big problem with it, if you had been here then we would've put your vote in as a NO...Now, to set things a little straighter, GARY'S COMBO DIDNT(yes i said didnt, as in did NOT) GET THAT BREAK...
Now i would just like to take a minute and tell everyone that cant run within 3-4 hundreths of the leader that we appreciate you continueing to race whether its here or at the OSCA and we will(and i'm sure Kevin will) continue to try to make things as fair as possible...
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Post by Bill Lutz on Sept 24, 2004 4:15:14 GMT -5
Well the one thing that I know for sure is that Terry Huff told Lee that Shannon promised you guys that he would race every race with you if you lowered the weights. So I guess the rule really didn't say black Mustangs with yellow graphics but in realitythat's what it's really for even with talking with Shannon he said he was told the same thing but he NEVER said he would run the races. So I guess the next question that you I have is if everyone didn't have a problem with taking weight off of Gary's combo why didn't you give him the break? Now on the last point you brought up I weigh the same as everyone else and have one less carb than anyone else and one less system on my car than anyone else in Prostreet so they all know as soon as they get their stuff running they will be as fast or faster than my car so they will continue to come and line up to take me out at every race and someone will probably do it at Hardinsburg if at any race. Everyone know in the class that I have the least amount of power in the class compared to what everyone claims about Dyno number's other than Ned or Phil Jergens which one is N/A and the other is a small block running at 2700 I think so everyone know's that I'm actually at a disadvantage but we are just very consistant so far this year and I'm not asking for a weight break to race. Now to my last point what do you think the reactions would be if Kevin said that he talked with me and he agree's that one carb is at a huge disadvantage and he is taking off 100lbs off of all combo's with one 4 now I have already showed that I have most people covered except for Art and Randy Brown at this point just like Lee at the 2nd race do you think there would be more hell raised than 25 people could raise in Prostreet? The only difference is that everyone that uses your board is Turbo's other than Pat which I know is 150% with me but he won't even get back on the board anymore.
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Post by guest on Sept 24, 2004 7:11:11 GMT -5
why do you pregnant dog about the weight of your car when you have the same problems as everybody. seems to me that you are the only person that comes on the board and complain about weight and say that you won't even race at the valley. sounds like you need to spend the money that you tell everybody else to spend but i quess that does't count for you. just make everybody else spend money and not you.
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Post by smckenzzz on Sept 24, 2004 7:35:33 GMT -5
This is getting really old about the rules being changed for certain people and not for others, For the record, I don't care what the rules are. We will race what we can if we can, and I only hope that next year the dates are not overlapped on each other. That is why all of this is un fair to all racers who would race both places.
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Post by bxl007 on Sept 24, 2004 7:53:36 GMT -5
To start with MR. Guest grow some balls and use your name like everyone else and as far as spending money I have spent plenty of it and my car fits perfect into the 2 classes that I built it to run OSCA Prostreet and NPS in NSCA which one we have locked up the championship in and the other we are as fast as any of the top 3 so get some knowledge before you open your mouth. Now to Shannon I just like messing with you when we talk and most of this is just keeping this board going because with out me and Charlie arguing this board would be dead.
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Post by Charlie on Sept 24, 2004 8:11:13 GMT -5
Bill, please ask someone up there to read this for you and sit you down and explain the meaning(use flash cards if needed)...We did NOT and would NOT change any rule that would affect such a large number of cars and combos just to get 1 (one) racer to come here...We looked at the change as a way to attract a new group without totally killing our present group of cars...Art tells me regularly that he has the HP to mop your behind once he gets it lined out so we didnt see that he would be hurt so badly by the change(especially since he can get to the 3160 range)...The way we looked at it was that we had to do something, so we did...Do we think it has helped or hurt? We dont see that our change affected a thing at this point(you can see it anyway you'd like), so we wont be making any changes till after the last race(if we make any at all)...Now i know that you have your mind made up about this and that is your right, but is it fair to the Mckensie's to keep throwing their name into this when you are only going off of hear-say? AGAIN, we have only had a turbo car run a 4.79 here and thats the number that we will work on until someone goes faster HERE...
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Post by bxl007 on Sept 24, 2004 8:45:01 GMT -5
I don't really care much about it. I just like making you type responses and I just like screwing with Shannon and he takes it very well because he know that I really don't mean anything by it. As far as Art goes he does have the HP to out run me but HP doesn't win races if it's not around for the finals. As I said before it's easier to talk about out running the "blue buzz saw" as Ned calls it than it is to do it.
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Post by Charlie on Sept 24, 2004 9:00:36 GMT -5
"As far as Art goes he does have the HP to out run me but HP doesn't win races"
See, there is no need to be worried about all of that extra HP that you worry about the turbos having...
By the way Bill, why is it considered argueing? Cant anyone recognize debating when they see it?
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Post by bxl007 on Sept 24, 2004 9:30:35 GMT -5
I think myself and you are way better than W and John Kerry and I bet that more people listen to us.
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Post by Charlie on Sept 24, 2004 10:50:12 GMT -5
Maybe we should run for the white house...See, if i became president i could change all sorts of rules...hehehe
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Post by KevinN on Sept 24, 2004 14:17:17 GMT -5
Thats it, if either of you are elected to an office I'm moving.
Think they race true street cars in Canada?
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Post by Charlie on Sept 24, 2004 19:53:01 GMT -5
I'm crushed Kevin, cross-breads can now add 200lbs...
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Post by Kevinn on Sept 25, 2004 12:31:17 GMT -5
Bill has a four day long "discussion" and he doesn't get a penalty. I see one thing and POW.....200lbs.
How can you say that there is no favoritism here?
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