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Post by Darren383 on Nov 10, 2004 11:27:07 GMT -5
Exactly. You said "if nothing is done with the blower cars then we will need all the nitrous we can get". If thats the case, why would you want to limit it to a #4 line and a single stage plate? I still have not seen a good reason why the rules should not stay the same other than add a 6.0 breakout to keep it a entry level class. Like I said before, I will run whatever the rules are, but I would like to be competitive, and i just dont have the funds to make my car a 5.7-5.8 car consistantly. I ran a few 6.0 passes this year, but mostly ran in the 6.1's. No, I never really leaned on my car but that is because I dont have the money to fix it all the time if I do lean on it. See ya next year Martin, looking forward to racing with you guys again also.
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 10, 2004 14:33:53 GMT -5
How many blower cars did you guys see last year??? From my knowledge most of the cars out there are running nitrous If you want to add rules how about making it where only bolt on suspension only etc. As far as the rules read a dragster with a 26x8.5 slick that weights in could race the entry level. There's nothing in the rules that says it can't. I'm like you Darren I would like to keep it a entry level street car class and not a true street class on a 8.5 tire. Like 358 said earlier I've spent TEXT to make my car run the way it does. I could run the true street class but I can't compete in that class. I have better things to spend all of my money besides my car. One of my friends poured a ton of money into his car and was running true street, but do to a unfortunate accident his car was trashed on the way to the track. Like I said I would like to keep the class as a entry level class.
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Post by Darren383 on Nov 10, 2004 14:53:13 GMT -5
Im not the one who brought the blower car up, but I think the green mustang at the last OSCA race kinda made everyone take notice of what a blower car could do. Now let me ask you this. What is entry level about a car running 5.80's or faster? You said you want to keep it entry level and not make it a true street on 8.5 tires, but no one has given any real ideas of how to keep it entry level. Martin said he lost a half tenth with a #4 line. Ok, Vern puts a#4 line on and runs 5.94. Still not entry level in my book. All cars ran stock suspension except for Clint, and he never ran any faster than Vern or James Sims. This same situation came up after about 2 seasons of true street. They started out as cars the average guy could build, now they are mega dollar motors with professional built chassis. Unless something is done now, Outlaw 8.5 will become the same.
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Post by Charlie on Nov 10, 2004 15:29:28 GMT -5
Who would be afraid of a dragster that weighed 3200lbs and ran an 8.5? Would it hook any better than a Mustang does on them?? Its awfully hard to build rules for all of these classes when the racers admit that they dont want to lean on anything for fear of breakage...If you look at the class as a whole you will see that everyone has speeded up and that the spread this year isnt any wider than the previous year...
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 10, 2004 15:48:27 GMT -5
I agree 5.80's is fast for entry level, but having a class without any rules except a tire size and weight isn't entry level. You leave the door wide open for a ton of cars to fit in that are not entry level. I know my car will not run in the 5s' and if that's what it takes to run the class I think that you'll see people start moving away from the class. As Charlie has said before it's suppose to be fun. I would like to think that but if you're the guy is is trying to keep up with the guys in your class that is running 5.80's or faster thats not fun thats called broke, unless you have a sponser of some sort. I want to know why there is so many rules for the True Street guys but none for the entry street guys??? I think that the entry street should adopt/make some rules to make the class a entry level class and maybe a steping stone for a future true street racers.
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Post by Charlie on Nov 10, 2004 16:22:08 GMT -5
OK, how about this for a set of rules that are better suited to be called entry...
1) Factory heads and block 2) STOCK suspensions front and rear...That means ZERO add-ons of any type... 3) NO( as in zero again) power-adders of any sort... 4) NO(you guessed it right) roller cams, etc...
How do these sound so far? These would probably fit a group of beginners that believe that the cars that are currently in 8.5 are out of their league...
The facts are that this class was started with simple rules to give a variety of cars a place to come out and race in a heads-up format...We think the field isnt too bad as it is and we may add some weight to the small blocks to bring them back a bit closer to the rest...
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Post by 93coupe on Nov 10, 2004 16:33:51 GMT -5
Charlie with your new rules if you make it stock intake also were there ;D LMAO
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Post by Darren383 on Nov 10, 2004 16:48:15 GMT -5
Supercharged331, your just not making any sense. You say your car wont go 5's, but you are against a 6.0 cap. Charlie and Tony made this class with very simple rules so alot of different cars can compete. Exactly what would you like to see the rules look like? But before you list them, take into consideration of what the cars like Verns, James and Clints had. 2 out of 3 of them had stock suspension, Vern had a single stage plate and ran the fastest of the 3. Thats the only 2 suggestions everyone keeps bringing up, other than a #4 line, which as Martin pointed out only slowed him by half a tenth.
You want the class to become a stepping stone for True Street, it cant become anymore of a stepping stone than it is now. A guy has a true street car, puts 8.5 tires on and runs and gets some experience and data of what to do to his car to compete at the next level. I know of 1 car that did that this year and will be competing and True Street next year. Leave the rules as theyare, simple and easy. Thats why I only suggested that they keep the rules the same but put a 6.0 breakout on it.
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Post by OutlawStang on Nov 10, 2004 17:31:51 GMT -5
My only reasons for having a 6.0 cap is for the saftey of the drivers. At what ET is it going to get real scarry? How many of us have run a full 1/4 mile with 8.5's running in the 9's? I have and top end is a little rough. If something isn't done these cars will be running 5.5's in no time. Second. The turnout in Huntsville was AWSOME. A 6.0 class will draw a hole bunch of racers from different places. Charlie how about running OVOS on Sunday? Remember these are my opinions and no matter what I will still be running the class.
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 10, 2004 17:37:58 GMT -5
I'm not against the 6.0 cap, but I think if its going to be a entry class I think that we should have some more rules. I like the OSCA rules myself, but we wouldn't have to adopt all of them. I don't know what the rules should be but I don't think just have a tire size and weight is enough. Charlie entry level is not factory stock, there are classes for that.
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 10, 2004 17:43:28 GMT -5
Hey Knickel you said that a 6.0 cap would be for the safety of the driver. What about crew members, other drivers, track officals, and fans. I agree with you running that fast on a 8.5 tire is crazy. But how fast is to fast, thats one reason why I think we should add more rules.
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Post by Darren383 on Nov 10, 2004 18:03:17 GMT -5
Charlie, about how much weight you wanting to add to the small block. My car is heavy anyway so it wont hurt me too much. What would be the chance of keeping the small block weight the same and just lowering the big block weight? I know Michael Edds had to add weight to his to get 3400, and I would say for sure he would rather lower the weights on bb cars rather than stay the same and raise small block cars.
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Post by Bernard358 on Nov 10, 2004 20:22:55 GMT -5
leave it the way it is. Why bother a good thing. If its scary let out of it plan and simple. Do u see guys on other tire catagories getting on and complaining about how fast they have to go or how scary it is. No this is heads up and thats what it brings. I follow the mustang circuit real well and them guys in super street outlaw , or say drag radial go insane times and are so called out of control,but thats the way it is. They have a full field, and they run all the way out the back door, without pulling the shuts early or hitting there brakes. Leave it alone and just adjust the weights. I was so pumped about getting my stuff finally together to run with you guys at the valley, but this has turned into a real pregnant dog session. I can't find on this board anywhere where 10.5 guys or the the big tire guys complaining at all about the speeds of some competitors or how fast they are going. Let it play out and lets just have a ton of fun and put on a great show for the valley and all the spectators. I hope not to offend anyone but lets just leave well enough alone.
Thanks Bernard Newton358
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Post by 90stangNbox on Nov 10, 2004 20:41:22 GMT -5
I agree with bernard. Leave it alone. As far as a safty issue, who is to say that 5.60 on a 8.5 is any more unsafe than 5.30 an a 10.5. Create the 7.50 class for those who feel unsafe and lets roll on ;D
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Post by greg on Nov 10, 2004 21:24:40 GMT -5
put a 6.0 cap on and allow a bigger dot tire like 28x11.5et street or drag radails. this would solve the problem with the small tires but keep a cap on the quick times. went to huntsville and seen 15 or 20 6.0 cars run 6.0's with out having to get on the brakes. same way for the 7.0 class also. would love to run this class but i'm not going to spend $$$$ to get my car legal to run 6.39 or quicker for $200 when this class started it was perfect 6.50-6.60 would win a race. no big deal that is not very bad goal to get to for the money. one of the biggest things i see is that if you want to slow the cars down put thr base weight at 3400lbs. most street cars that are enrty level weight this much as far as a old car. more weight and a little bit bigger tire would be safer than a little tire and a 2ft wall.
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