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Post by Charlie on Nov 4, 2004 20:24:42 GMT -5
What we have here is the fact that a Mustang has the ability to work better than others on these tires...It didnt take anything elaborate or high-tech on any of these Mustangs to enable them to work on the small tires(i know whats under them and what they need to work)...Keep in mind that this class is supposed to be open and simple as best as possible...
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Post by Bernard358 on Nov 4, 2004 21:17:57 GMT -5
charlie sorry about beating a dead horse, but is it a guarantee that the only changes might be weight? I hope the rules stay the same weight and 8.5's. Thanks and the reason i keep asking is because i don't want my car outlawed before its done.
thanks bernard newton358
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Post by Martin Connelley on Nov 6, 2004 0:27:33 GMT -5
To keep the cost down you have to have some rules. It is not only the cost of building the car it is the upkeep. A ladder bar or highly modified chassis car is more expensive and not something the average entry level racer can build themselves. And a singe plate is much easier on pistons than a twostage fogger. I think the single plate is a great idea and they should be stock bolt on suspension. The #4 nitrous line will slow the cars down, my car will slow down a half a tenth. The OSCA has a great set of rules and the cars will run slower by them. Only one car ran in the 5.90s one pass. I'm sorry I don't know his name and I am not for sure it is the same guy but I believe the number one qualifier at the last OVOS race went 5.90s at Valley and only 6.20s at OSCA. It was a 85 model hatchback Mustang. The rules will slow them down and maybe get more cars from the OSCA. I don't want to race against big dollar parts and cars that see the chassis shop every month in an entry level class. I do all of my own work and buy almost all of my parts used. My big block is a stock bottomend with speedpro pistons and a used set of heads. An index is not the answer rules are. If people want to index race they can run trophy, hitting the brakes to win a race is not headsup racing.
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Post by Charlie on Nov 6, 2004 13:26:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the response Martin...Tell me what the OSCA has for rules regarding the turbo and blower cars...What rule does the OSCA have that makes your car slow down a half tenth?
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Post by Martin Connelley on Nov 6, 2004 17:49:41 GMT -5
Charlie you have a good point about the blower and turbo cars. The OCSA has some rules on them but not enough in my opinion, mostly just inlet and onlet sizes and stock fuel injection on V8s. And the blower cars do make more power than the nitrous cars. The two races that blower cars showed up at they set et. and mph. records. The OSCA also needs more rules to keep the blower cars from making so much power. You can limit the nitrous cars by using a #4 line but it is hard to keep them from making boost, there is no tech easy way I know of to do this. Maybe add weight to them or make the class nitrous only. Most budget entry street racers use nitrous anyway. If you keep the blower cars then forget using the #4 nitrous line. But the only way to keep the cost down is to not let the high dollar parts in such as wild suspension, foggers... Or do like in true street and add weight for these things. As for why my car slows down at OSCA the #4 line is the biggest thing and I am not spraying as much as some guys at valley.
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 7, 2004 12:31:34 GMT -5
Making it a nitrous only class would be the wrong idea to me. I have a "entry level" car and yes I have a blower. You could make so that the blower cars could not run cog drives. Plus how many people in the class is running the blower set-up?? My guess would be less then a hand full. For one reason nitrous is much cheaper and people don't want to spend the extra money on the blower. The reason why I did it was that I still drive my car on the street and I didn't want to worry about having enough nitrous in my tank if some punk pulled up beside me at a red light or something and wanted to do a little street racing.
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Post by Bernard358 on Nov 7, 2004 13:02:18 GMT -5
charlie i don't see why you want to add weight to a certain make of a car. The aftermarket world is full of parts for the mustang and its not our fault if they work better or not. I have seen several other cars run really fast to that wasn't mustangs. Anyhow what are the changes going to be are we going to run a 8.5" class bracket race and what are u going to change about suspension. I asked this in the last post and got no reply.
331 people run nitrous because it is easier to tune on than a blower car and most people can tune a carb. As for your blower its giving you headaches right. Just trying to get a rise out of you LOL ;D
Later Bernard Newton358
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 7, 2004 13:04:45 GMT -5
That is true but once its' tuned then its going to be hell to pay. LOL ;D
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Post by Charlie on Nov 7, 2004 14:06:27 GMT -5
Bernard, I have answered the question over and over about the possible changes...This class will stay with the same basic rules that it currently has, any chassis or suspensions and NO restrictions on power-adders...The weights may have a SMALL adjustment(if any) and we wont rule out the 6.00 index...
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Post by Bernard358 on Nov 7, 2004 15:11:59 GMT -5
charlie thanks for the reply. Why the index possibility though? What is the index going to be for all the other classe? I think you should just let it play out and see how it goes.
thanks Bernard Newton358
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Post by 90stangNbox on Nov 7, 2004 18:05:37 GMT -5
Everybody keeps saying no to adding weight and I'm not saying that they should but didn't you add weight last year and they actually ran faster?
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Post by 93coupe on Nov 7, 2004 20:08:39 GMT -5
putting a 6.00 index on outlaw 8.5 would be like putting a 5.40 index on truestreet its heads up not bracket racing.
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Post by Bernard358 on Nov 7, 2004 20:34:57 GMT -5
87stang- you are exactly right this class is not for bracket racers. If so they should call it ovos bracket 1 or 2. You are right about the true street class as well, but if thats the case i think they would make it 5.50 because i think there are a few cars that have been 30's to 40's. So maybe they should make all the outlaw classes bracket race as well.
thanks Bernard358
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 7, 2004 20:40:52 GMT -5
I think there shouldn't be cap but at the same time there should be a few more rules. Whats to keep someone with a pro-stock car set-up from slapping on a 26x8.5 tire and coming out and clearing the field. A person could do this very easily.
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Post by Supercharged331 on Nov 7, 2004 20:41:47 GMT -5
by the way 358 Clay City sucked today. How did u do down BG??
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