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Post by More Cars on Sept 20, 2004 5:24:20 GMT -5
When is Ohio Valley Gonna get more cars for the Outlaw series. couple of years ago there was a bunch. by reading this message board it sounds like a bunch of old women on what about this and what about that he has no weight bla bla I guess you all see what I mean. To many stupid rules??? How about you all get together and make up some even rules so the turnout would be greater and the competition fair We fans expect a good race but the car count is low its not worth the $12 bucks to come in the gate
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Post by Daryl Reynolds on Sept 20, 2004 6:31:39 GMT -5
The biggest problem is the rest of the cars are at the OSCA race same weekend. Maybe next year they may loose the egos and get their schedules not to conflict. Later Daryl PS I think Octobers may not conflict now?
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Post by bxl007 on Sept 20, 2004 8:14:31 GMT -5
How many cars were there on Saturday? next month they don't conflict but the Valley is running on the same weekend as Orlando and a bunch of us will be there for sure.
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Post by bxl007 on Sept 22, 2004 7:57:24 GMT -5
d**n was there really only 4 cars in Prostreet or was that a typo? I know Howie broke so that left only 3 to race. When are the rules going back to the way they were so you can get more cars? If you don't make a change pretty soon nobody will show up and pay to watch 3 or 4 cars then the street car race will really be in big trouble. Charlie you need to make a change and just admit that what you tried isn't working before it's too late. I don't want you to think I'm being mean or anything but I'm just stating a fact that since the rule change car count dropped period.
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Post by Charlie on Sept 22, 2004 9:59:44 GMT -5
How do you figure that anything that we changed has caused a problem Bill? What do you think would've been ANY different without the change? Would YOU have came under the old rules? NO, you wouldnt have...What about any of the other NOS cars that were at Kil-Kare? Answer is NO again...There were breakage and other things that kept the turnout down and we know that...We WILL NOT go back to the old weights because they wouldnt change a thing...We have an idea where to go with this and once we get through the next race then we will look into it...All i have heard recently on the boards is how Billy Glidden should be as fast as Jeff Naiser with his small block on NOS, what happened to the talk that it took 700+ cubic inches to run with the turbos? ?? Are you gonna tell me that a guy with a 422 small block can race with the turbos at equal weight but the 632's cant run with them at less weight? Now please take the time to answer this and hopefully between all of us together we can figure out a way to make it fair...Otherwise, we feel that the current rules are already fair...
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Post by bxl007 on Sept 22, 2004 11:58:35 GMT -5
The part that your not thinking about is that most NOS cars other than Bryan's car which is a full chassis can't get to the weight's that you have us weighing so get your head out of the turbo guys butts and figure that out. I know for a fact that I can run with them at the same weight and more than likely kick their butt's with 737 inches at the same weight's but until I or anyone else has a car that can get that light your rules are for small blocks or turbo's not NOS cars. Your correct to the fact that I wouldn't have came last weekend no matter what the weight was because we wrapped up the championship last weekend. I will tell you that if the rules would have stayed the same as they were and I was in 1st in the points at both places the additional 200 per race won would have played a big part on where I raced. I hope you can finally figure out that myself or Art which have to of the most state of the art cars in prostreet can't get to the weight you have us at. Goodluck at your races and when you get your mind right email me directly to let me know you guys have finally made a smart decision.
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Post by Charlie on Sept 22, 2004 12:52:31 GMT -5
OK, since you want to put a tone to this then lets see something...The talk is all about Naiser and his small block, the dreaded Turbos and the Big block NOS cars...You boast that the 10.5 is the equalizers and that weight is weight...Why is it that Naiser can run a 4.72 at 3000lbs on a 10.5W, but yet you act like your 632 with a big tire at 3200lbs cant keep up, how is that? You answered this once before when you said that you WONT lean on your car to run a turbo car...What if Naiser pulls along side of you? Will you push it to race him or is that out of the question too? The FACTS are this, its obvious now that there are alot of different combos that can run fast under OUR current rules...You want to race other NOS cars only and that is fine, but dont act like our rules are so screwed up...Dont forget that Naiser can run at 2850lbs at the Valley and if they allowed the sticks in Pro at the OSCA he'd be able to fly there too.....
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Post by bxl007 on Sept 22, 2004 13:05:43 GMT -5
Since you keep mentioning this Naiser guy who I have never heard of what if he shows up at your race and kicks the turbo's butt which at 2700 lbs he would kill them not just out run them. I would not go past where I'm at right now to race anyone because I have over 130 runs on my car with nothing hurt other than a exhaust valve which was a different problem other than NOS caused that. If I wanted to spend 1400 or more to get 1200 I'm sure I can step my 3200lb car up to run with Lee but why take the chance of knocking the rods out of it or worse crashing the car just to win a race? Just tell me this how does 1600 or 1700HP which my cars makes run with 2000 or 2100HP at the same weight or in my case heavier. Get the calculator out and get back to me it's just simple math.
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Post by Charlie on Sept 22, 2004 13:55:49 GMT -5
Then call it like it is Bill and dont keep saying that the rules arent fair...Rules are made on what is actually being ran on the racetrack, not what HP someone claims...How are we supposed to make a level playing field if we have NOS cars that dont wanna push things? Why do you mention crashing your car in this conversation?
As for the weight, everybody races under the same rules, you just choose not to get the weight off and i can understand that...You went a 4.88 Saturday and so far this year(under the new weights) we have only seen a 4.79 here by the turbo cars, is that so lopsided that you feel cheated?
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Post by bxl007 on Sept 22, 2004 14:41:01 GMT -5
The reason I mentioned crashing a car is because when you try to make over 1700 with a 4.84 bore space motor you run a big risk of kicking the rods out of the motor which in turn would put oil down and could cause a crash. You should be making the weight to where a majority of NOS cars can actually get too not to some weight where they can get to in other parts of the country such as down south. This is not and I repeat not Outlaw 10.5 at Ohio Valley the money isn't the same and the NOS cars are not the same. I admit that Shannon and Chris and other Turbo cars are more like outlaw 10.5 cars down south but you have to make the rules fit what you have in your back yard that can and would race with you if they had a fighting chance. I know my car went a 4.88 but again that is as much as it can take with out hurting serious parts at the weight it is. Lee by his own words says he only runs what he has too to win if he needs more he just puts more boost in it. When he ran the 4.79 he's down 5 to 8 PSI from what he can run at if needed. Keep the rules how every you want but you never have came up with how 1700 out runs 2100 at the same weight why do you aviod that question? The way it's all fair down south is that you can't use all the power that your making unless your a small block NOS car which they are getting everything and more to the ground. Look at this for 1 second here are the way HP totals are blown BB around 2500, Turbo 2000 to 2150, BB NOS 632 or smaller 1700 706 or bigger 2000, SB NOS 1400, now look at what win's down south they are flipped around all except the small blocks which on the same day on the same track at the same weight they don't have a chance. Why is that the tire is the limiting factor and at Ohio Valley the tire is not the limiting factor. I would agree all day to the rules if Turbo's had to run a 10.5W.
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Post by Charlie on Sept 22, 2004 15:00:23 GMT -5
I am fully aware of what can happen if something breaks, however, we cant make rules based on whats easy on parts...I didnt answer your HP question because it isnt answerable by anyone...Looking at it your way shows clearly that Naiser shouldnt be able to outrun the turbos and the Blown Big blocks since he is making 600-1100HP less than they are(by your numbers)...You act like a 10.5 tire will cure it all when in fact it will make ZERO difference with the group of cars we are talking about...Lets use the name at hand again and you tell me how you can run with Naiser when he went a 4.72 at 3000lbs, he would have to weigh 2950 here and you could weigh 3100lbs...This isnt about Turbos at all now Bill, which is what i think you missed, its about going fast with different combos and what the rules should be...Should a 422NOS motor have to weigh more than your Big inch motor on NOS? ?
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Post by bxl007 on Sept 22, 2004 15:34:49 GMT -5
There is no easy on parts 1700 HP 615 motors out there when you push it past that point parts breakage is off the chart. How can you say that a 10.5 tires makes no difference that is what 10.5W racing is all about? Why do they run them then just put big tires on them and guess what? The car with the most HP always wins unless it breaks or shakes the tires and by the way the BB cars are now running high 4.50's at 3000 with a 10.5W so I guess my figures are dead on. 4.50's to 4.72 yep he will get his a$$ handed to him at the same weight. So it seems maybe this Naiser guy will need a weight break after all to run with them if he comes to Huntsville to race or Orlando. I'm done with this, keep the rules the way they are and hope that everyone builds what they say they are for next year or the car count will still suck because nobody want to donate money and until you can figure that out your hurting. I'm headed back over to the other board where rules are fair and I have a "chance" of winning a race.
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Post by Charlie on Sept 22, 2004 16:19:30 GMT -5
I like how you act like somebody is "donating" money if they cant be at the front...What about the lower half of the fields that only have a chance to win if you break or make a mistake? Are they "donating" too? The facts are that until people are willing to step up to the plate and show what they have then we have to make rules based on what we see...I watched Bryan go 4.88 Saturday night after he said they werent going to lean on it, now we are supposed to make a change and add weight back to ALL of the Pro cars when he obviously seems to be on to something? The comment about the other boards rules doesnt deserve a response...
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Post by Darren383 on Sept 22, 2004 17:12:55 GMT -5
Hey Charlie, i know this post has nothing to do with me and I hate to change the subject on you guys, but how about some results and points from Outlaw 8.5 from Sat. night? I would like to see how the points look going into the last race. Thanks and see ya next month!
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Post by Charlie on Sept 22, 2004 17:28:00 GMT -5
I'm sorry Darren...I need to spend more time typing the results for you guys than debating whats right and whats wrong with Bill...I will get on it for you suys...
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